State of 'The Walking Dead' Season 3 Midseason Chat – Recap

Chris Baggiano

What were you hoping for coming into this 3rd season, before it had premiered? Or maybe how did you feel about the end of Season 2?

Shannon Toohey

I was one of the people who was really deep into the Shane-Rick-Lori love triangle, so I mainly wanted to see some sort of resolve there. The end of season 2 was a doozy in that sense, as there was no more Shane. I was weary because I knew there would be even more loss coming as well with the prison and now that the farm was destroyed.

CB

Well I think the first half of season 2 was almost a complete waste, after the first two episodes of that first half it just dragged and dragged, so it was clearly a cathartic thing when the farm finally got destroyed in Season 2's finale. The Rick-Lori-Shane love triangle was probably the best example of how disappointing Season 2 was so they definitely needed to come to a close with that. But by that time Shane had become such a weird and unlikable character I didn't really feel anything when he died, and likewise most of the characters that had died in that onslaught had lost most of my sympathies.

My biggest worry for season 3, which I believe I mentioned in a previous piece, was that they seemed to move from a sort of cool philosophical discussion into cheap horror thrills by the end of Season 2. I was worried that they would not continue the philosophical aspect of the show.

ST

Yes it did take a big turn for Season 2, it went from a huge science fiction place that worked so well with the pilot and Season 1, to sort of a secluded cheaper place. I think the whole premise of the show, what keeps it what it is, is that need to survive. That is why the group kept picking up and caravanning from location to location. One constant is that these people do have that drive for survival and it has been there since day 1. It is an original question and it is one that we all want to be seen through. Obviously we want them to keep fighting and figuring out how to manipulate this world but it is such an intense situation, but yes the deaths that do occur whether fitting to the story or because of lack of character growth, even the deaths come into play. They show what happens when you can't survive it.

CB

Yeah, and I think that continued into Season 3. However I was glad to see that the didn't completely rid themselves answers to the question of survival in this new world. Sure, they may have taken a back seat to the more exciting and gory zombie evisceration every week but they still are addressing some of those original questions which is a surprise
How has it been since the main reason you watched, the love triangle, has been resolved? And what do you think of Lori and Rick's brief relationship since it was resolved until her "shocking" death?

ST

My mindset completely shifted when Lori died, and for me it was shocking, I figured it would happen at some point but the way it did just hit me where it hurt. I mean I won't lie, I was crying. I feel like she was a key element to what the show was and when she died it shed that layer and just kind of grew into a whole new monster.

CB

Really? See I wasn't shocked and wasn't overly empathetic to her character. I guess I was one of those people that wanted to see her die. Her death signified the final change to where the show and the story were going.

ST

Yeah, the majority of the people shared your mindset on Lori. I did not, but I was frustrated because carrying that baby was always a death sentence for her and she should have decided against it, but some twisted thought in her mind pushed that the baby was hope for the future or something.

To talk about Lori’s death for a moment I mean the speech she gave, telling him to try to do what’s right and not let the world spoil him and give him enough love and encouragement from his mother to fuel his fire for the rest of his life was just heart wrenching.
And Woodbury was a separate entity until then as well.

CB

I felt that was cliché, but I also might be movie/tv show jaded. They could always have had her say nothing. I was actually more touched with the random flashback to when Carl and Rick were talking at the farm. Not saying I was blubbering or anything but that point hit home for me a little harder

The most disappointing thing from her death though is how it is affecting, or not, Carl. I still think that they need to shift its focus to Carl and we really should see how his killing his mom when she turned should affect him, even though he's a little too stoic for a 12ish year old.

ST

Carl is terrifying and would be a terrifying person, especially in our real world. The flashback was still a great moment to have there, though.
As far as Rick goes, I would have liked to see something more between he and Rick of them before she went. Just for my closure and everything, but we did have one moment there right before everything happened.

CB

Yeah, there was very little love between them and then he flew off the handle, which I guess is justified but was definitely a huge change emotionally. Not to mention the disappointing way he handled accepting her death. At the time it was exciting because they had never done anything like that, the whole phone call/hallucination thing but they have yet to bring that back into the storyline so it seems like a one-off, cheap trick rather than maybe a character trait that will fester.

ST

They say all the time that this is his breaking point. He obviously loved her but just could not return to where their relationship was before Shane. I hope that Lori stays with Rick. I hope that we see action like that phone call again. I just feel that nothing else can motivate him now besides his kids and her memory, from what I have seen from him. But realistically, a baby in a world of zombies just doesn’t work.

CB

How about the introduction of some new blood into the group now that Cutty and his group has taken residence in the prison?

ST

You mean Tyreese?

CB

Yes, Tyreese. Although he’ll always be Cutty to me.

ST

Hahaha. I wasn’t ready for Tyreese and his group yet. It took an entire season for me to attach to Rick's group, and now I know that some change of leadership has to come and just shake everything up and that is kind of nerve-racking in a way.

CB

You don't think his group will just fold into Rick's, that they might not bond under fire as Woodbury unleashes their fury upon them?

ST

I was so focused on now anticipating Andrea meeting back up with the group, and didnt expect it. They probably will meld in with them yes.

CB

Speaking of Andrea, the Woodbury storyline had so much potential. It is exactly the sort of philosophical debate that the first season was so good discussing. Seeing this utopia in midst of the chaos, almost exactly what a survivor would hope to see after having merely survived for so long. But the fact they turned Woodbury into this middling love story between Andrea and the Governor, and the fact that it didn't really seem the Governor was a bad person – despite clearly leaning towards that with all the Michonne distrust – completely ruined it for me.

ST

They all of a sudden turned Andrea into something that I just didn't enjoy.

CB

She was always on the periphery of enjoyment for me, her constant argument about suicide with Dale was more annoying than anything but this definitely took her to a whole new level of annoyance. The relationship never really felt natural, it just felt that the writers were pushing her romance with the Governor too hard.

ST

The Woodbury scenes were dark but not as dark as some people were anticipating. But it always takes time to set up action. They definitely pushed the relationship to an uncomfortable level at times.

CB

I mean, Woodbury as a whole, clearly the Governor seemed to be kind of shady, and I've mentioned this for over and over again, but the fact they kept hinting at his evilness without ever showing it was ridiculous. Was he evil or wasn't he? Sure he did some not so nice things but they were all fairly justified. He needed supplies and food for his town and he didn't want Woodbury to become known and possibly be overrun or attract a bunch of walkers.

It was just weird that they had this awful storyline of Andrea falling for him, while continuously showing us Michonne's mistrust
It's very odd in a way that I was more believing of Michonne and her perceptions of him than I was of Andrea's trust in him. To have a character who was just introduced instantly be more trustworthy than someone who has been there since the beginning is definitely odd.

ST

Yeah he did creepy things but it was almost as if they wanted him to be shown as a real, three-dimensional person and not as a monster as in the comics from what I gather. Right, she fell for a powerful man just like she did for Shane in the truck that time. But I've had enough of her doing that. She was capable of having the guts to go with Michonne who would do anything to keep her safe and she knew that but instead shunned her for love.

Michonne is such a solid character. She does not mince words and we know where she's at. It is all or nothing.

CB

Which makes never proving Michonne's distrust all the more perplexing and the fact they kept hinting at his evilness but never showing it was just kind of stupid. If you want to make him a real character you can't have such differing viewpoints on him. Yeah he's a real person and has flaws but never taking a position with the narrative didn't make any sense.

The fact that Andrea had survived with Michonne for so long and then just let Michonne go off so that Andrea could be with the Governor, not because of the settlement of Woodbury, but because she wanted to get in some Governor pants is just disappointing on so many levels.

ST

It really is disappointing. Andrea had some sort of lapse in judgment that really let me down this season. I expected none of what she did and I am really looking forward to her making up for it in second half of season. It is perhaps the most frustrating thing for a woman to watch. I went from being proud of Lori's sacrifice and floating on girl power, and then next episode, Andrea was in bed with him just throwing it all away.

So I expect Andrea to turn herself around now. They've got to get back in the game. I want to see them win this thing they have with Woodbury.

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